tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3908323164857503249.post6142440800351551308..comments2023-06-07T20:25:59.503+12:00Comments on Mike's Blog: I am so sick of hearing the 1 in 5 lineMikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06291605522441194537noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3908323164857503249.post-32937929367152419072010-03-30T19:04:24.527+13:002010-03-30T19:04:24.527+13:00Thanks for the comment Linda.
It sounds like we a...Thanks for the comment Linda.<br /><br />It sounds like we are both just after a good debate. Both sides need to lower their levels of agression and emotion. Some good thinking might emerge.<br /><br />You might like to read this opinion piece by John Langley http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/97515/standards-debate-needs-revision<br /><br />Regards<br />MikeMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10777422117722818834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3908323164857503249.post-47542713395151112962010-03-30T18:49:27.904+13:002010-03-30T18:49:27.904+13:00The wheel turns again...
http://www.odt.co.nz/opi...The wheel turns again...<br /><br />http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/99565/here-come-national-standards-again<br /><br />I'm a parent and I can't get a straight answer out of Hon Anne Tolley or the Ministry on some basic questions to do with how National Standards will effect my child (Stanine 9). The opposition had been asking the questions through parliamentary process but answers are vague.<br />I, like you, value good debate but unfortunately this policy has been so rushed that I don't think half the implications have been considered. I wish they'd just answer honestly and if they don't know then offer to find out, instead of veiling non-answers in a bunch of meaningless slogans which must assume parents are all intellectually-impairedLindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3908323164857503249.post-17608133551583573412010-03-29T18:19:09.926+13:002010-03-29T18:19:09.926+13:00Thanks for the comment Peter.
The approach we are...Thanks for the comment Peter.<br /><br />The approach we are taking is the same approach we take with every new decision. Make sure that whatever we do aligns with the values and beliefs about learning in our school. Our values and beliefs have been carefully developed by our school community, over a long period of time, as part of the wider NZ Curriculum process.<br /><br />We want to make lemonade from any lemons sent our way so we are going to make sure any use of the Standards at our school is aligned to what we believe in. <br /><br />At this stage they may well be heading towards being a mainly formative assessment tool to build on work we are already doing in this area. <br /><br />But the whole thing so rushed at the national level we can't even say this for sure.<br /><br />I am getting worried that the most common language coming from schools is that they are starting by "looking at their moderation processes" as a first step. Kind of screams an exclusively summative use.<br /><br />Too little info given to us at the school level so far to make much more sense of things at this stage.Mikehttp://mikeanz.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3908323164857503249.post-26610372847134281742010-03-29T16:21:53.293+13:002010-03-29T16:21:53.293+13:00Hi Mike, your points are well made. So, what appr...Hi Mike, your points are well made. So, what approach are you taking to National Standards at Waimairi School?Peter Verstappennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3908323164857503249.post-34758830027174720152010-03-26T09:49:47.045+13:002010-03-26T09:49:47.045+13:00mate well said about the bell curve, it's been...mate well said about the bell curve, it's been around almost as long as bells. the national party fact about 1 in 5 can also mean 80% are passing, so lets try to get that to 90% and put the resource where it is needed, address the issues with the kids that need support. The reason the last question cant be answered (Now tell me how national standards will help kids achieve and help teachers make sure that they do.) is because they wont help. In fact they will hinder. So you can't get any reasonable robust discussion to back up the arguement unless you talk to the professional development providers who have been thrown the nats 36 million, they are out there now justifying anything for a buck. shame really. spot on with the blog ! by the way if Nat Standards are brought upon us because they are failing at Y11, and are written from the top down, where are the standards for Y10 and Y9 - there aren't any - not important, and the nats don't want to pick a fight with PPTA as well. ha more humour.Podgoranihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04751466045116573964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3908323164857503249.post-67526228091777647872010-03-24T20:46:32.449+13:002010-03-24T20:46:32.449+13:00Good points Robert. Thanks for the comment. It is ...Good points Robert. Thanks for the comment. It is tempting to take shots at the minister herself but what I really want is a high quality debate, with her as part of it. <br /><br />I don't care if she knows any teachers or how many schools she has visited. She just has to be able to articulate her position without using the 1 in 5 line.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10777422117722818834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3908323164857503249.post-40309349787020335702010-03-24T20:33:00.880+13:002010-03-24T20:33:00.880+13:001 in 5 said about 5 times during question time alo...1 in 5 said about 5 times during question time alone! My concern would also be teachers teaching to a test. Thankfully this was not part of the national standards roll out. In order for some schools to achieve to 'the standard', they may well use the standards as a strict guide to learning which would undermine the intentions of our revised curriculum. Potentially National Standards completely devalues our curriculum and its values on 21st century learning.<br /><br />I completely agree that Literacy and Numeracy are absolutely paramount to a child's education and that a large proportion of teaching time should be spent on these especially at primary school level. I don't know of any teachers who go to work to harm or who purposely sabotage learning. Every teacher I know works to the best of their abilities to ensure they are doing the best for the children in their classes, using the most up to date teaching and learning practice available to them. Does Anne Tolley actually know any teachers?? <br /><br />League tables would be a disaster as it does not measure the value of a teacher or school, nor would it take into account the net gain some children make given a highly skilled teacher in a school with a larger proportion of lower achievers. Some of our best teachers work in schools where children do not have every advantage, and make a huge difference.<br /><br />Anne Tolley is a Minister NOT an educationalist, she is still very much focussed on industrial models of teaching, and possibly should spend some more time in schools talking to skilled teachers about what they actually do.Rob Naysmithnoreply@blogger.com